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but your book "the big sort" goes beyond that and doesn't talk about the sorting out that occurred at the sort of the political class level but you go much deeper of the sorting out that's kird among -- occurred among americans. give us the overview of how you came into this. >> we came into it because we were interested in why. i lived from kentucky and moved to texas. we wanted to know why some places were getting richer and other places were getting poorer. what we found was that overtime places in the united states are getting increasingly different from one another in a fundamental way. so for instance, up until the early 19 0's most cities were getting closer together in terms of the percentage of people who lived there, percentage of adults with b.a. degrees. since that time until the last figures i looked at in 2009, most places were falling away from the mean. people with college degrees are clustering in some places and abandoning areas. the same with true with patent production. so economic production began to differ increasingly from place to place. income differential
. there have been some pretty big on along the way. and it has to do with entrance into the u.s. as a country, as a political system, again, through immigration. pushing the tombolo out from the standpoint of the majority, established community -- pushing the envelope from the standpoint of the majority, establish community, again, i will take the perspective of irish catholics. again, because of my family's migration from europe. this was profoundly unsettling to the mainstream astonishment. there were, indeed, not only tensions and conflicts, but violence in places like philadelphia. the original campus of michael modern -- of my alma mater was torture the ground. the precipitating reason had to do with bible reading in the public schools and whether catholic kids would be allowed to read their version rather than the king james version. this was such an affront to the astonishment that there were riots in the street. the national guard had to call out -- be called out to put down the rebellion. it has been a steady revolution, but a revolution nonetheless. obviously, post 65 immigration, j
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